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    A person who continues to sin forever would never achieve... — Carmelics
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    A person who continues to sin forever would never achieve a state of full clarity.

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    • Given VanArragon's understanding of libertarian freedom, continuing to sin forever would require a perpetual context of ambiguity, ignorance, and misperception.
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    • 1.A being can possess full epistemic clarity about its situation while still freely choosing evil, as Lucifer is traditionally conceived to have done.
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    • 2.Aquinas held that angelic sin occurred with complete intellectual apprehension, demonstrating that clear cognition is compatible with persistent, unrepented wrongdoing.
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    • 1.Frankfurt-style cases demonstrate that an agent can identify deeply with a motivational structure—including a vicious one—without ambiguity or misperception distorting the will.
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    • 2.A damned person who has achieved a stable, self-endorsed orientation toward evil possesses a form of volitional clarity, even if that clarity is directed at disordered ends.
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    So the idea of irreparable harm—that is, of harm that not even omnipotence could ever repair—is critical at this point. It is most relevant, perhaps, in cases where someone imagines sinners freely choosing annihilation (Kvanvig), or imagines them freely making a decisive and irreversible choice of evil (Walls), or imagines them freely locking the gates of hell from the inside (C. S. Lewis). But proponents of the so-called escapism understanding of hell can plausibly counter that hell is not necessarily an instance of such irreparable harm, and Raymond VanArragon in particular raises the possib...

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