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    Given VanArragon's understanding of libertarian freedom, ... — Carmelics
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    Supports→A person who continues to sin forever would never achieve a state of full clarity.
    Supports→Persistent sinning without end would never result in anything like the traditional hell (whether understood as a lake of fire, the outer darkness, or any other condition revealing the full horror of separation from God).

    Given VanArragon's understanding of libertarian freedom, continuing to sin forever would require a perpetual context of ambiguity, ignorance, and misperception.

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    Unlike the Augustinians, Arminian theologians emphasize the role that free will plays in determining one’s eternal destiny in heaven or hell; they also accept the so-called libertarian understanding of free will, according to which freedom and determinism are incompatible (see the entry on free will)). Because not even an omnipotent being can causally determine a genuinely free choice, the reality of free will, they say, introduces into the universe an element that, from God’s perspective, is utterly random in that it lies outside of God’s direct causal control. Accordingly, if some person s...

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