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    Deserved suffering inflicted by a proper punitive desert ... — Carmelics
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    Deserved suffering inflicted by a proper punitive desert agent is inherently good.

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    • 1.Non-deserved suffering is inherently bad, but deserved suffering should be distinguished from non-deserved suffering.
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    • 2.Just as grief is good and morally valuable when a loved one has died, suffering might be good and morally valuable when experienced by a wrongdoer, especially if experienced in a way that is appropriately connected to having committed a particular wrong.
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    • 3.Given that a wrong has been committed, inflicting deserved suffering in response is better than not doing so.
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    • 1.Suffering, as a phenomenological evil, cannot be transformed into a good merely by the prior conduct of the one who suffers.
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    • 2.The grief analogy fails because grief is intrinsically connected to love and loss, whereas punitive suffering lacks any constitutive link to the wrongdoing it follows.
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    • 3.If deserved suffering were intrinsically good, we would be obligated to maximize it, yet no retributivist accepts that torturing a murderer indefinitely becomes progressively better—revealing the 'inherent good' claim is incoherent.
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    • 1.Kant's formula of humanity prohibits treating any person solely as a means, and inflicting suffering valued as good in itself reduces the offender to a mere vehicle for moral accounting.
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    • 2.A state that takes satisfaction in the suffering of persons—even guilty persons—corrupts the moral character of its institutions, as Nietzsche diagnosed in the punitive will to cruelty masquerading as justice.
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    • 3.The 'proper punitive desert agent' condition smuggles in all the normative work, leaving the intrinsic goodness claim empty without a prior and independent theory of legitimate authority.
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    Retributivists think that deserved suffering should be distinguished from non-deserved suffering. While the latter is inherently bad, the former, at least if inflicted by a proper punitive desert agent, is inherently good (Hegel 1821: §99; Zaibert 2018: chs. 2 & 3; Alexander & Ferzan 2018: 184–185). Just as grief is good and morally valuable when a loved one has died, so suffering might be good and morally valuable when experienced by a wrongdoer, especially if experienced in a way that is appropriately connected to having committed a particular wrong. Of course, it would be better if ...

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