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    It is not the case that Money and health are not genuinely good — they are 'indifferents', neither good nor bad.

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    • 1.Aristotle argues in the Nicomachean Ethics that external goods like health and resources are necessary conditions for eudaimonia, not merely instrumental aids.
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    • 2.A person systematically deprived of health or material sufficiency lacks the developmental conditions required for virtue to be expressed and sustained over a lifetime.
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    • 3.If virtue itself requires external goods as enabling conditions, those goods partially constitute the good life and cannot be classified as genuinely indifferent.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.The Stoic supporting argument conflates 'not unconditionally beneficial' with 'not genuinely good', but most recognized goods admit of misuse without losing their status as goods.
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    • 2.Aristotle's doctrine of the mean already concedes that courage or generosity can be misapplied, yet Stoics themselves classify virtues as genuine goods despite this vulnerability.
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    • 3.If the capacity for misuse disqualifies health and wealth from being genuine goods, the same logical structure would disqualify virtues, generating a reductio the Stoics cannot easily absorb.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Whatever is genuinely good must benefit its possessor under all circumstances.
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    • 2.There are circumstances in which health or money do not benefit their possessor (e.g., wealth spent on harmful things).
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    • 3.If something fails to benefit its possessor in even some circumstances, it cannot be genuinely good.
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