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    Sinners would not be able to retain forever their liberta... — Carmelics
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    Sinners would not be able to retain forever their libertarian freedom to continue separating themselves from the divine nature and from the ultimate source of human happiness.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.A complete separation from the divine nature would be an objective horror.
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    • 2.Either God permits sinners to follow a path that leads to an objective horror for as long as they freely choose, or God at some point prevents them from continuing along their freely chosen path.
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    • 3.If God permits sinners to continue along their freely chosen path toward an objective horror, their own experience, provided they are rational enough to qualify as free moral agents, would eventually shatter their illusions and remove their libertarian freedom to continue along that path.
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    • 1.Libertarian freedom requires only the structural capacity for choice, not that every choice remain revisable by subsequent experience.
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    • 2.C.S. Lewis and Jonathan Kvanvig both argue that a will can become so habitually fixed in its orientation that it constitutes a stable, free self-determination rather than a diminished one.
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    • 3.If character fixity through repeated free choices preserves rather than negates libertarian agency, then P3's claim that experience must eventually shatter illusions conflates rational persuasion with the metaphysical conditions of freedom.
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    • 1.The argument assumes that rational recognition of one's objective condition must override a freely chosen evaluative framework, but this presupposes a single authoritative ranking of goods.
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    • 2.Harry Frankfurt's work on higher-order desires demonstrates that agents can freely endorse first-order desires that external observers deem self-destructive, without thereby losing authentic autonomous agency.
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    • 3.If damned souls possess a coherent, internally consistent will that embraces separation from God as their highest good, P3's 'illusion-shattering' mechanism has no rational lever to operate on.
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    Unlike the Augustinians, Arminian theologians emphasize the role that free will plays in determining one’s eternal destiny in heaven or hell; they also accept the so-called libertarian understanding of free will, according to which freedom and determinism are incompatible (see the entry on free will)). Because not even an omnipotent being can causally determine a genuinely free choice, the reality of free will, they say, introduces into the universe an element that, from God’s perspective, is utterly random in that it lies outside of God’s direct causal control. Accordingly, if some person s...

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